(Sadly) Out of touch?

[Spelly]

The World's ecomomy is in meltdown, unemployment is climbing, but........

If the Tories win the next election, they'll look at repealing the law on hunting with dogs, with a free vote in the House! Oh boy! I could hardly control my emotions when I heard that on the radio this morning! What a vote-winner that's gonna be, I don't think!

The government we've got isn't perfect, and even as a Labour Party member for longer than I care to remember, I totally accept that fact, but.......

In my opinion, it'd be a damn sight worse if the guy who was educated at Eton was in Downing Street!

Just what planet are the Blue Faction on? Coz it's not Planet Earth!

Spelly.

[RB]

The World's ecomomy is in meltdown, unemployment is climbing, but........

If the Tories win the next election, they'll look at repealing the law on hunting with dogs, with a free vote in the House! Oh boy! I could hardly control my emotions when I heard that on the radio this morning! What a vote-winner that's gonna be, I don't think!

The government we've got isn't perfect, and even as a Labour Party member for longer than I care to remember, I totally accept that fact, but.......

In my opinion, it'd be a damn sight worse if the guy who was educated at Eton was in Downing Street!

Just what planet are the Blue Faction on? Coz it's not Planet Earth!

Spelly.

Tony Blair was educated at a Private School.
I think Cameron is a very poor leader of the opposition but I really don't care what school he went to.
The present goverenment have to go because they are corrupt. Or at least some Members of the Governement are.
I am far far from enamoured with the prospect of a Cameron Governement but we need a change.

[Neil]

TBH the Conservatives couldn't do a much worse job than the current bunch of incompetents'...

The proposed change to the hunting law may not appeal to you or me for that matter, but it may in constituencies that are marginal in other areas of the country?

As a labour party member your opinion may be somewhat one sided...

Personally (As someone with political allegiance) I think as soon as the British people have a chance to vote Brown out they will.. After all he was handed the job on a plate somewhat..

As the Americans have done not so long ago, maybe it's time for a change on this side of the pond too??

Fly

[Huggybear]

I think their statements on bringing back hunting reveal where there priorities lie and as Spelly says, very odd ones in crises like these. Brown is as bad as Major used to be in terms of lacking strong leadership and refusing to take action against wayward MPs - and there'll be other weak leaders in that respect in both parties in the years to come just as there'll always be dishonest MPs.

I fail to see though why anyone would want to vote for a party which was founded on the principles of birth priviliges and protecting the wealthy and their offspring. I'm a wooly third way capitalist myself (i.e. as seen recently with tax payers bailing out the banks on behalf of saving society from the economy collapsing - i.e. capitalism and socialism mixing) but the tories are actually anti-capitalist in that they don't believe in the right of everyone to make their way in business, they believe in protecting those already at the top, those who feel they have a divine right for them and their offspring and their offsprings offspring to be wealthy at all costs to everyone else. That is why it's relevant that Cameron went to Eton, he's likely to be entrenched in the priviliged society the tory party were originally set up to protect - an issue which should be outdated but is likely to become stronger with an Eton boy in charge.

We survived, just about, eight years with another priviliged society kid in charge over the pond, and don't underestimate the influence US politics has on UK life, we'll survive however many years of Cameron, it's just very unfortunate. Still the Daily Mail and Rupert Murdoch will be happy.

[Paul D]

I had high hopes that the tories would win the next election and we can get rid of the current incumbent numpty.  The only reason I voted labour last time was to make sure that this piece of legislation stayed in place.  However how can the tories even think that this will be a vote winner when 70% of the population think that hunting with hounds is an abhorrent and repulsive past time (I will not say sport because in sport both sides have a chance)  I find it hard to believe that we, who are supposed to be civilised beings find pleasure in inflicting suffering on an innocent animal.

[Huggybear]

Paul D, I think a lot of people need to stop themselves being influenced by the press into thinking that Cameron will be better than Brown.

[Neil]

people need to stop themselves being influenced by the press

People will form there own opinions...

It's time for someone else to have a go now if you ask me... Pass the batton..

Fly

[Peter]

People will form there own opinions...
It's time for someone else to have a go now if you ask me... Pass the batton..
Fly

That is what they said in 1979 and look what we got.
The press are forgetting that there are more important things than MPs expenses.

And if you want more on that topic how about the two Tory MPs with constituencies in London who already had houses there when they were elected to Parliament now live at the seaside and count the houses in London as their second homes,

Don't get me started!

[Penkvik]

I don't have a lot of time for todays career politicians of either persuasion,but if you think the unemployment figures are bad now and there's no doubt they are,just watch 'em if Cameron's party do get in!

[scooby]

In my opinion, it'd be a damn sight worse if the guy who was educated at Eton was in Downing Street!

Spelly.

You are quite right Spelly. Unfortunately the majority of the press & media in this country have a massive Tory bias, and sadly the people believe all their lying propaganda.

[johnf]

That is what they said in 1979 and look what we got.
The press are forgetting that there are more important things than MPs expenses.

And if you want more on that topic how about the two Tory MPs with constituencies in London who already had houses there when they were elected to Parliament now live at the seaside and count the houses in London as their second homes,

Don't get me started!

I don't think that her like pass this way often Peter. My impressions having lived outside the country for the past 12 years now (and thus maybe a bit more objective than in former times) are that the two main parties are now 'pretty much of a muchness'. Far more disturbing is the rise of globalism - what the meltdown that was triggered by the sub-prime con suggests to me is that the soverignty of national governments has been eroded to a very large extent - the major companies now seem to thrive on the space in between separate national laws. I'm not sure that too many British governments have been oin charge of their own destiny in the past hundred years but I think the current world situation (multinationals, diverse conglomerates etc) means thata the government, whoever it is, is pretty much powerless. Cameron may be a poor politician but it wouldn't make much difference no matter his capabilities - similarly Brown. 

[Peter]

I don't think that her like pass this way often Peter.  

And I give my thanks for that daily!

The two main parties have similarities I agree, but the working man and woman are much better off under Labour. Similarly Pensioners. The first year I received State Pension under the Tory Heritage the increase was 75p a week. GB, as Chancellor said this would never happen again and from then the increase in state pension would never be lower than 2.5%. This year my increase is £10 a week.

[martin]

People will form there own opinions...

It's time for someone else to have a go now if you ask me... Pass the batton..

Fly

Sorry Fly (not having a go at you personally) but that saying is running a little thin. Why change something thats not broken. This economical problem is world wide and not just centered here. If you ask anyone what are the three main topics they wish to spend money on its, Health, Police and education. As i am in education i can guarentee you that a lot has been spent with more to come and as for health and police; Billions more has been spent, money beyond the wildest dreams of the NHS and the forces and if you think the NHS and police are bad now what do you think they were like before these EXTRA were spent upgrading them.

No sorry Fly and everyone else that uses that term, i have a better one "better the devil you know". Tories are a team of cutters; Tax cutters for the rich and famous and spending cuts in health and education in order for you to put your child in private ed and private health.

[RB]

Sorry Fly (not having a go at you personally) but that saying is running a little thin. Why change something thats not broken. This economical problem is world wide and not just centered here. If you ask anyone what are the three main topics they wish to spend money on its, Health, Police and education. As i am in education i can guarentee you that a lot has been spent with more to come and as for health and police; Billions more has been spent, money beyond the wildest dreams of the NHS and the forces and if you think the NHS and police are bad now what do you think they were like before these EXTRA were spent upgrading them.

No sorry Fly and everyone else that uses that term, i have a better one "better the devil you know". Tories are a team of cutters; Tax cutters for the rich and famous and spending cuts in health and education in order for you to put your child in private ed and private health.

Why change something that is not broken ?
Whoever is in in power come the end of 2010 will be cutting spending becuase the country is in massive debt.
Whoever is in power come the end of 2010 will be facing unemployment of over 3 million.

[A. N. Other]

Why change something that is not broken ?
Whoever is in in power come the end of 2010 will be cutting spending becuase the country is in massive debt.
Whoever is in power come the end of 2010 will be facing unemployment of over 3 million.

The root causes of the global crisis are excessive deregulation, lack of government oversight of the financial industry and general blind faith in the "free market".   Labour's guilty of aping the US (and the British Tories) in those areas but for the Tories, deregulation and blind faith in the free market are core values.  The US just kicked out the right-wing Republicans (basically Thatcherite Tories) who made it all happen and shifted radically to the Left with Obama but in Britain the opposition are the right-wing Tories - for all Labour's errors, there's at least a chance of them shifting in the right direction, there's no chance at all of the Tories doing so.