Scenario A...

[asterix]

Not having a go, Just asking opinions, Anyway....

...20m out from opposition try line, Approx 30th Min, Score 22-6 up and get a penalty, do you....

A. Go for 2 points, Opposition still would have to score 3 times to draw.

B. Take the tap, Score try to go 28-6 up, (Dont score from it, Opposition still have to score at least 3 times.)


Answer: Coach chose A, Players chose B.

I could understand if we was 24-6 up to some extent as opposition then have to score 4 times, I dont know many people that would of took 2 points in that scenario.

Disclaimer;  Im not having a go, Im stating what happened and my opinion, Im not Cullen bashing, far from it. He is our coach and going nowhere so I back him to the hilt 

[StuckinNewport]

A. Kick goal and get 2 points and receive ball from kick off or miss goal, but receive ball back from drop out and take tackle close to or beyond 22mtr line.

B. Take tap and maybe score or don't score and handover ball.

Answer A every time.

[John S]

A. Kick goal and get 2 points and receive ball from kick off or miss goal, but receive ball back from drop out and take tackle close to or beyond 22mtr line.

B. Take tap and maybe score or don't score and handover ball.

Answer A every time.

And something we didnt do against Leigh after being loads of kickable penalties---result, lost game.  It seems to be a modern phenomenon not taking the two points but at times they have to be taken.

[LeedsViking]

And something we didnt do against Leigh after being loads of kickable penalties---result, lost game.  It seems to be a modern phenomenon not taking the two points but at times they have to be taken.

Watching the Championship decider from '89 yesterday, Jonathan Davies took two kicks at goal in the first ten minutes of the game (he did miss them both mind you!!), I thought at the time that there is no way either of those situations would have resulted in taking the kick in the modern game.

[SLViking]

there was a very good reason why the bench wanted 2 go 4 goal. But the captain has the call on pitch . He over ruled the bench and we scored. So well done to everybody

[widnes_tiger]

One thing that made me laugh was when we was 40metres out we choose to run it and only the 2nd tackle we was where we could of been if we kicked to touch

[efcviking]

One thing that made me laugh was when we was 40metres out we choose to run it and only the 2nd tackle we was where we could of been if we kicked to touch

We only make 10 Meters on a kick anyway, most the time.

[widnes_tiger]

We only make 10 Meters on a kick anyway, most the time.

We still wasted 2 tackles

[vikings 4 ever]

And something we didnt do against Leigh after being loads of kickable penalties---result, lost game.  It seems to be a modern phenomenon not taking the two points but at times they have to be taken.

I agree to a certain extent, but how many times do you see team A take the 2 points - the opposition kick off and then team A knock on and team B score a try. If you've worked your way into a position to be within range of having a pop at goal, why put yourself back on your own try line struggling to make your way back up field? IMO having field position and possession is very important and shouldn't be wasted. As others have said, if its the difference between the opposition having to score 2 instead of 1 tries or 3 instead of 2 and you are playing a very good side then its probably worth taking the points. Batley at home though - taking the two? its pathetic to even consider it.

As Widnes Tiger has also said it was a stupid decision twice in the 2nd half where we had penalties 1 40m out and the other 30m out and we take the tap.

[asterix]

I agree to a certain extent, but how many times do you see team A take the 2 points - the opposition kick off and then team A knock on and team B score a try. If you've worked your way into a position to be within range of having a pop at goal, why put yourself back on your own try line struggling to make your way back up field? IMO having field position and possession is very important and shouldn't be wasted. As others have said, if its the difference between the opposition having to score 2 instead of 1 tries or 3 instead of 2 and you are playing a very good side then its probably worth taking the points. Batley at home though - taking the two? its pathetic to even consider it.

As Widnes Tiger has also said it was a stupid decision twice in the 2nd half where we had penalties 1 40m out and the other 30m out and we take the tap.

Exactly, The scenarios could go on forever, We take 2, receive kick and knock on 20m from our line and defending. We run ball and score, good or we run ball and dont score, Were still defending but Batley have 80m to go. I stand by it, Not many I know would of taken the 2, I think it showed signs of worry not respect.

[Peter]

A. Kick goal and get 2 points and receive ball from kick off or miss goal, but receive ball back from drop out and take tackle close to or beyond 22mtr line.B. Take tap and maybe score or don't score and handover ball.
Answer A every time.

So am I. Taking the 2 points and getting the ball back should always be the right option, except in the last minutes when you are 3 points behind!

[Bruce Champion]

The thing with taking the kick is that it also means that from a kick off the ball is back in your 10/20m zone depandant on how good the kick off is.  The idea in my opinion is to either score and be an extra4/6 pts up, or keep the ball in their half up until half time. 

[SLViking]

We only make 10 Meters on a kick anyway, most the time.

absolutely not true. Webster did miskick one but the vast majority went 20 to 40 m. A quick tap can keep pressure on where as a kick for touch allows them to catch their breath.  There is no absolute right answer to the kick or tap debate as opinions on here show..  

[JonM]

NRL & SL coaches have done the sums and know that if they get a set of six close to the opposition line, they have a better than one in three chance of scoring, so the percentage play is not to go for the two points. The only time it's worth taking a penalty at goal (or drop goal) is when the game is close enough that the extra one or two points will make the other team have to score again, or if there isn't likely to be time to get the try. That's why most teams now take the tap over the two points.

In the past, I would have agreed that taking the two points was the right thing to do, but tries come a lot more easily in the modern game. And given our record of spending long periods camped out in the opposition half without scoring, it maybe that taking the penalty is right for us, too.

[amadeus]

If penalties mean points, then why do we squander the chance of easy points when we are only just ahead on the scoreboard.