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« on: 28 July 2010, 17:33:52 »

http://www.lasttackle.com/news_4042-blackpool-deduted-ten-points-for-salary-cap-breach.html

Sums up all the problems at this level really.

Clubs struggling to exist throwing silly money around, and then struggling when the backer decides to take his ball home. Same thing happened with Gateshead.
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« Reply #1 on: 28 July 2010, 18:14:25 »

Got this from sportinglife.com

Blackpool Panthers have been deducted 10 league points after being found guilty of a series of breaches of Rugby Football League registration and salary cap rules by an RFL tribunal.
The breaches relate to the contracts of 12 players with the Co-operative Championship One club and were discovered following an investigation by the league's compliance manager.
Blackpool have indicated that they will not be lodging an appeal against the deduction, which takes place with immediate effect.
The verdict means they drop from third in the table, eight points behind leaders Hunslet with a game in hand, down to sixth.

Seems player registration problems have also been an issue
Real shame though as the board that were in place last season were nice honest hard-working people who loved that club and had done well to bring it back from where it was a few years ago, and without breaking any rules

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« Reply #2 on: 28 July 2010, 18:18:52 »

I don't recall Wigan being deducted points when they broke the same rule.
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« Reply #3 on: 28 July 2010, 19:09:55 »

I certainly dont recall Crusaders losing any points for registration mistakes!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: 28 July 2010, 19:21:41 »

Ahh the illegal players you mean :-o
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« Reply #5 on: 28 July 2010, 19:40:36 »

Ahh the illegal players you mean :-o





What illegal players  Huh    I've looked all over the rfl website to see what punishment they handed out Celtic for playing illegal players and came up blank  Huh Surely if they did have players that were playing illegally the rfl would have handed out a punishment................




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« Reply #6 on: 28 July 2010, 20:13:50 »

They're still higher than us, even with the deduction!  Embarrassed

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« Reply #7 on: 28 July 2010, 20:31:20 »

Awww spelly, as ever you make us stop and count ourselves one of the luckier ones
Back to blackpool though, would like to see the breakdown of the breaches of cap + player reg rules just for curiosity. That way it helps to see how come the 10 points, and immediately deducted
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« Reply #8 on: 28 July 2010, 21:58:23 »

Must be pretty bad, I would imagine, seeing as administration only carries a 9 point penalty.
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« Reply #9 on: 29 July 2010, 07:11:05 »

In last week's RL press itstated that the Crusader's illegal' players still need to be paid - one of them was reported to be owed £52000. The ex-coach is being paid £2000 per week and guess what - the RFL look like they are going to foot the bill. And the people who oversee such a shambles are paid more than the Prime Minister! A case of fact being more difficult to believe than fiction.
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« Reply #10 on: 29 July 2010, 08:31:38 »

Must be pretty bad, I would imagine, seeing as administration only carries a 9 point penalty.

That would be reading too much into the RFL Discpinlary Process

Hull - merger / takeover of Gateshead & let off
Saints 2 points
Bradford 2 points
Wigan 2 points
London - Let Off
Celtic - Let Off
Doncaster - 9 Points
Keighley - 9 Points
Widnes - 9 Points
Gateshead - Relegation and 6 points
Is that all and correct have Swinton had points deducted as well.

I never really understood the London case - They were signing players with money they didn't have , outside of the Salary Cap , went bust but had the same major backer before and after.

A bit of transparency would be good.
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« Reply #11 on: 29 July 2010, 09:36:27 »

Rochdale had a deduction at some point as well. Doncaster have had two deductions, IIRC.
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« Reply #12 on: 29 July 2010, 11:15:04 »

Don't forget that a win in the lower leagues is 3 pts and only 2 in SL so I believe the punishments are normally related to X number of wins. i.e ours was 3 league games so translates to -9 pts. Stupid in itself really as we play less games than SL so to recover from such a penalty is much harder than it would be in SL.

Oh but it is the RFL!!  Roll Eyes Huh Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: 29 July 2010, 11:29:59 »

Don't forget that a win in the lower leagues is 3 pts and only 2 in SL so I believe the punishments are normally related to X number of wins. i.e ours was 3 league games so tralates to -9 pts. Stupid in itself really as we play less games than SL so to recover from such a penalty is much harder than it would be in SL.

Oh but it is the RFL!!  Roll Eyes Huh Tongue

You are right but no Super League Club has ever had 6 points deducted despite Wigan, Saints, Bradford, London, Celtic being caught bang to rights and I have no confidence that the RFL would take such a penalty agaisnt a major Super League Club. Also Wigan knowlingly broke the rules to aid a fight against Relagation and now their is no relagation.
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« Reply #14 on: 29 July 2010, 11:56:38 »

You are right but no Super League Club has ever had 6 points deducted despite Wigan, Saints, Bradford, London, Celtic being caught bang to rights and I have no confidence that the RFL would take such a penalty agaisnt a major Super League Club. Also Wigan knowlingly broke the rules to aid a fight against Relagation and now their is no relagation.

I know and agree with what you say they would never hit a SL team with 6pts unless it was say one of the clubs they want to get rid of then they might.

I think also the rule was not there (re: penalties / points deductions) ala the Hull and CC debacle, and CC and illegal players farce so the RFL said. So they came up with the feeble 2pts penalties. Then introduced the 3 wins rule after the SL teams got themselves in order.  Shocked

Wasn't there some rubbish as well for St's saying they only breached it because some clauses in their players contracts gave players bonuses becuase they played for GB or England or something so we can't really blame them. What a load of rubbish this was too, St's know what contract they give out and know how many internationals are planned for each year. It's not hard to think right we have X number of players with this clause 3 internationals if all were to be picked it would cost us this amount. Lets say £30,000, then make sure as a club that all other contracts offered leaves £30,000 on the salary cap just in case your players are picked. Lets face it they have been at the top of the British game for several years and have a good selection of the top players in the game, so logically they would be players being looked at for selection?

The RFL poo their pants anytime a SL club breaks or breaches any of the rules because they don't want to upset them especially the higher profile clubs. These clubs hold sway (because they have 2 votes each) as a group over the RFL and I guess if they annoyed these clubs too much they could use their votes as a group to get rid of them. 

The RFL are weak willed and on a good thing £££ doing IMO a poor job. Why would they risk losing their cushy positions? RL is a simple sport and all we ask is that all teams / clubs are dealt with in the same manner and equal punishments meeted out for all clubs, all clubs should have equal votes. SL clubs should not have 1 more than every other club in the sport. They stuff everything up they put their hands to, just look at the over inflated pay rises they have given themselves. Double figure % rises in the current climate and with all of the male-chicken ups in the past 12-18 months (couple mentioned above). I would be scared to see how much they would give themselves if everything they did was perfect.  Roll Eyes 
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