Celtic Crusaders in administration

[J20]

Sacked for being useless, as well!

Dragging the game to near financial meltdown whilst not actually being better on the grass... Someone did similar at Halifax RLFC... Oh yea the RFL CEO  couldn't make it up could you!

[local viking]

IMO the issues at Crusaders have to be kept seperate from the issues at Red Hall.

Red hall has proved itself to be incompetent and deliverately obtuse on numerous occasions - the list is a mile long.

Crusaders have been nothing but cheats since their inception

Championship 1 with how many overseas illegal players? What other team could afford to pay them, only LS could pay them 'off the books' and then get them deported!
'Made up' attendance figures,
Financial threats to the RFL re the Bridgend pitch, administration, no effort made to pay off debts, relocation (what a total travesty that was) more financial problems, the list with them is endless, and yet the RFL treat them like the Welsh chosen ones they really seem to think they are.

The other SL teams will do nothing about it, the better off ones will look at Cas & Wakey and shrug their shoulders, there will not even be a 'there but for the grace of God' moment.

Tony Chambers did what we all wanted him to do, what we really want the other SL teams to do right now, but it got him/Widnes nowhere with Red hall, it damaged us in their eyes and it has taken an awful long time and the strategies of SOC to turn that around.

Crusaders are a disgrace in the history of RL and Red Hall is nothing more than closed shop for sports 'administrators' - What will they do now that the Sports England funding is about to be cut drastically?

[Sunny]

Crusaders are a disgrace in the history of RL and Red Hall is nothing more than closed shop for sports 'administrators' - What will they do now that the Sports England funding is about to be cut drastically?

Get it right, my friend, for FAILED sports administrators please...

[Peter]

Get it right, my friend, for FAILED sports administrators please...

The original concept of the European Super League was to have thriving well supported clubs in London, Paris and inter alia, Wales. To be sacrificed were some of the heartland clubs to make the Murdoch Blood money go round to finance an Australianisation of our game.

Paris failed, London failed, and Wales has failed. Why Brian Noble said that Crusdasers was very important to Super League was either due to the fact he was being offered a backroom job with Crusaders, or due to Wrigley Deprivation Syndrome, which makes your mouth keep working while your brain is switched off.

Uncle Mo had Lewis as his protege and his favoured appointmentto succeed him, as Uncle Mo saw himself as becoming world famous as the man who created a game as well supported as American Football. All he had to say to Lewis before the "interview" was "tell the Board you are in favour of expansion".  Lewis had not worked for almost two years after getting the sack from his tennis job, and despite not knowing much about either the game or expansion, did so and got the job.

Will it need history to tell us that the Mo and Lewis method of expansion has not worked or do we know already?

My answer -- and I could be wrong  -- would be to make the heartland teams stronger, develop the Cumbrian teams and gently make the game one that becomes so watcheable that attendances will go up, clubs like Doncaster, Sheffield and Gateshead will naturally progress and expansion will grow of its own accord, rather than it being thrust upon the curious public in Bridgend, various parts of London, and Paris.

[Sandgroper]

Very good post!

The 'international' game as desired by Murdoch/RFL is such a massive stretch that it cannot be achieved within the attention span of a marketing guru.  Much better, imo would have been, or will be, to support the game in a parallel line in France and, maybe, Wales.  Then you could get close to the 'international' RU scene.  As it is we are simply polluting and diluting our domestic game.

As it stands the game is totally dependant on Sky money and is therefore very vulnerable as a professional sport. It has become a Sky sideshow and thereby lost it's real identity.

What you describe, Peter, is IMO very probably what will happen post-Sky and therefore post Super League.  There will, inevitably in my view, come a time when Murdoch will give up the challenge, having secured dish sales as far as can be expected.  He will then turn to RU and take that on as a further challenge for World-wide domination.

Once that day comes supporters of RL, or as many as are left alive, will ,of necessity, return to the days when the game was semi-pro and therefore unattractive to big business.  Then the game will be re-born from it's roots, rather than top down.

Sadly I suspect that I won't be there to see it!

[Peter]

I have just been reading the Crusaders Fans message board. The bit on the Winding up petition makes interesting reading.

[mick george]

Still on the Crusaders theme i was thinking about there deported players and decided to look at th RFL's operational rules and found this.


REGISTRATION DOCUMENTS
C1:2:4 A Player who is not currently on a Club's Register shall be registered by the Club and the
Player completing in full and submitting to the RFL the official registration form (as
prescribed by the Board from time to time) and by the RFL providing an acknowledgement
of registration as detailed above. The registration form must be accompanied by such other
supporting documents as the Board may require from time to time which in cases of first
registration may include the Player's birth certificate, details of the transfer fee (if
appropriate), copy of passport or other documents as required under the Immigration Act,
and clearance (if appropriate), compensation payment (if appropriate) and in the case of
Professional Players, by a Standard Players Contract signed by both Club and Player. The
registration form and other must be completed and signed by Player and Club promptly
(within 48 hours of the contract being signed) and submitted to the RFL no later than 48
hours after signature



http://www.therfl.co.uk/~rflmedia/docs/Part%203_Section%20C.pdf

[Sunny]

That's as may be, Mick, but don't forget that RFL operational rules just are not applicable to Crusaders - only to every other club with the possible exception of 'Quinns.

[RB]

Still on the Crusaders theme i was thinking about there deported players and decided to look at th RFL's operational rules and found this.


REGISTRATION DOCUMENTS
C1:2:4 A Player who is not currently on a Club's Register shall be registered by the Club and the
Player completing in full and submitting to the RFL the official registration form (as
prescribed by the Board from time to time) and by the RFL providing an acknowledgement
of registration as detailed above. The registration form must be accompanied by such other
supporting documents as the Board may require from time to time which in cases of first
registration may include the Player's birth certificate, details of the transfer fee (if
appropriate), copy of passport or other documents as required under the Immigration Act,
and clearance (if appropriate), compensation payment (if appropriate) and in the case of
Professional Players, by a Standard Players Contract signed by both Club and Player. The
registration form and other must be completed and signed by Player and Club promptly
(within 48 hours of the contract being signed) and submitted to the RFL no later than 48
hours after signature



http://www.therfl.co.uk/~rflmedia/docs/Part%203_Section%20C.pdf

I thought the club assisted them to obtain visa'a or actually got the visa's for them.
The visa's were obtained under false pretences.
It was the club who were at fault not the players.
If you are moving the other side of the world to play for a UK club and the UK club tells you how to get your UK visa. My guess is you would accept the word of the club.

[mick george]

aparently registered at companies house on 20 / 10 /2010
                                                             W Crusaders
                                                             company number  07413385

But they aint gonna call themselves The W Crusaders. If you take another look you can actually still buy the name Welsh Crusaders

Anyone got any spare cash? prolly about £70 will get you the name


Just had another look and there may be something in the registration of W Crusaders




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